Mag. However, if I were in the market for a fast 7mm, Id look at one of the new unbelted cartridges designed for these bullets. Mag. Im not convinced this is a good thing. If you plan to order your ammunition online, the best elk hunting cartridge Ive seen is probably the Nosler 160-grain Trophy Grade ammunition with a good old Partition bullet. According to my notes, I've killed 27 elk with a 270. A couple of friends swear by the .444 Marlin for hunting elk in oak brush. The tougher the terrain, the lighter. Add in the lighter recoil of the .300 Win. But times change. With the Jeffery-based case, youll want to look to powder choices on the slow end of the spectrum. Extremely flat shooting. I had the 170 elites up to 3125 fps when it was 270 wby so I'm hoping to easily get to 3200 + once it's a 27. But if youre going to this narrow caliber, choose one with more velocity than the Creedmoor. This gives it the necessary elasticity to expand and seal the chamber while the stronger steel keeps the head from rupturing. 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The final arbiters of the Best elk calibers are you and the elk, but here are my top five that I chose for their balance of power, reach, recoil, trajectory (drop and drift,) availability, affordability in reasonably compact, light, mountain ready rifles. If you like velocity, the 27 Nosler will fit the bill, as it drives the 150-grain bullets to a muzzle velocity of 3300 fps, and the 165-grain bullets to 3150 fps. Of course that means more energy downrange, less drop, and less wind deflectionwith a bunch more recoil. To contain 80,000 psi pressures SIG has built a reportedly beefy rifle. It will require a 26-inch barrel to reach this speed, but that will make this a superior long range performer and the fastest .270 extant. The muscle car of .277-caliber cartridges is the recent 27 Nosler. Mag.,) the 27 Nosler should be able to nudge a 165-grain along at 3,100 fps, perhaps 3,150 fps. Google a 270 win - 280 rem comparison and it will tell you all you need to know. However, you should be aware that the recoil on a .28 Nosler is not right for all shooters. bullets, weight to weight, have a higher SD for potentially better penetration. I think a .30-06 with 180-grain bullet offers about the same performance as a 7mm Remington Magnum with 175-grain bullet. The immediate success of the 7mm Rem. On that axis deer hunt on Molokai, I had shots ranging from 100 to 250 yards, and while a fast .270 may seem a bit much for even the largest axis deer that ever walked, the bullet handled the windy conditions very well. The size of elk also varies. Zeroed 3.3 inches high at 100 yards, that projectile will drop just two inches at 300 yards, deflect just five inches in a 10 mph right angle wind, and cling to 2,866 ft-lb energy. In this article, Ill cover the pros and cons Ive found with shooting the .28 Nosler on my recent big game hunting adventures. Mag., .300 RUM, and .30-378 Wby. I would go with the 28. He is a well-known entrepreneur, having started many successful online brands, and lives in St George, Utah. Call me crazy but the 117hh at 3700 would be hard to beat at 500yds. 30 Nosler cases are preferred if forming 27 Nosler cases because of the similar shoulder dimension. Shot placement and bullet performance cause quick humane kills. Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is at the Streamlight booth at SHOT Show 2023 to go over the Bear Trap light from Streamlight. Re-barrel to the 27 Nosler and go kill elk. Mag. Just be aware that shot angles and placement do become critical as bullet mass and energy decline. Published Feb 26, 2020 3:21 PM EST. The 26 Nosler has a higher muzzle velocity than the 28 Nosler, making it ideal for long-range shooting. Over the decades, millions of deer, elk, sheep, bears and pronghorn have fallen to it, to grace the tables and walls of Americas hunters and add chapters to the American hunting lore. In both cases, the 163 grain ELD-X bullet did not exit the animals body and used all that energy inside the vitals. Mag., and you understand why its not just the most popular .300 magnum of all time, but one of the best all-round elk calibers of all time. Federal Terminal Ascent Hunting Bullet: Field Review, Tested Tough - Modern Zeiss Sports Optics. Youll appreciate that kind of performance if you can handle the recoil. Do you prefer a standard-length action or short? Just $1 per month , Heres a list of some of the most notable cartridges for elk hunting. The 27 Nosler has a neck length of 0.328, so neck tension isnt an issue at all; generally speaking, the cartridges neck should be at least one caliber in length, and most are, with the glaring exception of the .300 Winchester Magnum. With the right bullets, it can actually hit harder than the 375 H&H Magnum at longer ranges. I did as instructed, leveling the crosshair of the Leupold VX-3HD on the onside shoulder, and breaking the trigger of the Nosler Model 21 rifle, sending a 150-grain Nosler AccuBond on its way to make meat. Even at the 500-yard mark, the 27 Nosler will deliver over 2,100 ft.-lbs. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. With modern loads the .45-70 has 200-yard capability, and no issues about hitting an elk hard enough. In my situation, I think the tradeoffs of recoil are far outweighed by the positive aspects of the cartridge. launched 2,600 fps will still be churning some 1,800 ft-lb energy. Again, bullet weight. Noslers .27 will be chambered in that companys M48 bolt-action rifles. The .270 Winchester fits standard-length actions with standard diameter bolt faces and standard magazines. Adequate, but be careful and watch the distance. With such a rifle, we are expecting a shot at less than 100 yards. . I see it this way with a bullet of adequate caliber for the game hunted, its bullet performance at expected range that kills and is a good measure of killing abilty. That increased capacity, coupled with modern powders, allows the 27 Nosler to drive bullets faster and flatter than ever before. When choosing among these three .270s one must consider more than just ballistics. Keep it on 4 unless you have lots of time at longer range then you can crank it up. Joined Feb 19, 2010 Messages 3,240 Location GODS COUNTRY IDAHO. hatched five years later and gave big brother a real run for his money. You are all set and go forth with complete confidence. That said, dozens, nay hundreds of elk are layed low each fall by careful application of the 6.5 Creedmoor, a near ballistictwin of the Swede. Mag. That said, the .284-inch bullet has two advantages. The venerable .270 Winchester has been a mainstay on gun store racks, ammo displays and in reloaders cabinets for decades. So, next best thing: If youre serious about longer shots on elk, man up and use a fast .30 with todays heavy, low-drag bullets, 200 to 225 grains. The SIG and Nosler both require fast twist rifling to stabilize those long, high B.C. With these two cartridges coming on line, our .270 selection has just grown from four members to six: 6.8mm Remington SPC, .270 Winchester, .270 WSM, and .270 Wby. And realize that after a hunt or choice you might want to choose differently. Publisher Kevin Steele is in the Beretta booth with Logan Killam, the Shotgun Product Manager, to discuss the all new Beretta A300 Ultima Turkey. In fact, the first time my friend, who is a seasoned shooter himself, shot my 28 Nosler, he got scoped! Throw the excellent 32 calibers into the mix, the .325 WSM and 8mm Rem. On the contrary, 150-180 grain bullets in 300 Win Mag can hold up to 1000 rounds. The old .270 Winchester has been hotly debated since 1925, yet it has been a favorite among thousands of elk pros. The 27 Nosler has 32% more case capacity than the .270 Winchester, 22% more than the .270 Winchester Short Magnum and 14% more than the .270 Weatherby. Mag., and no one howls about that being too fast. Of the seven chamberings offered in the Premier Highlander, the 300 PRC, 300 Winchester Magnum, 7mm Magnum and 28 Nosler all are up to taking elk. While there are some drawbacks to this cartridge for elk hunting, in general its one of the best rounds on the market. So, I dont believe any 7mm hits as hard as a .30-caliber. The 27 Nosler shares the same caliber as the storied .270 Winchester and other .27 caliber rifles. We manufacture Partition, AccuBond, E-Tip, Ballistic Tip, Custom Competition and much more. Be the first to hear about our latest news and events. UPC #: 054041612371. 27 Nosler 150gr AccuBond Trophy Grade Ammunition, 27 Nosler 165gr AccuBond Long Range Trophy Grade Ammunition. In addition to the caliber, Nosler also introduced new 165gr . . I am pretty certain that your ballistic table is incorrect, the energy and velocity column are identical for 200-1,000 yards and the two columns are flipped for 1,200 and 1,500 yards. The 27 Nosler, like its counterparts across the family of Nosler cartridges, has raised the performance bar when it comes to the .277. But based on the usage, grains, the barrel life could vary. Here stands the old warrior with its two newest competitors in the rather small .27-caliber world. Im a big 270 fan too FYI. (Photo: Kristin Alberts/Guns.com) Synonymous with quality hunting ammunition, Nosler shakes things up in the .270 world introducing a new caliber - the 27 . Its been one of the best selling, popular all-round hunting cartridges in the U.S. Much of its appeal is reasonable recoil, fairly significant muzzle velocity in the 3,000 fps range, mid-sized bullet weights found to be ideal for taking deer-sized game and good enough for some larger stuff with good design and placement. As for the .277 SIG Fury, well have to see if current actions are strong enough to safely contain those high pressures. I dont personally shoot extreme ranges when hunting by any means, but when I can consistently hit 600 yards in practice, I know 300 wont give me any trouble when hunting. 2500fps and 1600+ft-lb at same distance. Mag. Theyre all proven to kill elk with proper shot placement and are available in rifles you wont mind carrying in the mountains. bear a closer comparison. or .264 Win. At 2,500 fps and a B.C. Because Winchester didnt insist on the caliber being proprietary, anyone could load and chamber for it. May 28, 2019 By Layne Simpson. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Winchester borrowed the same basic belted magnum case, blew out the walls, pushed the 25-degree shoulder forward, shortened overall length to .30/06 standard, and created a powder reservoir holding about 90 grains of water. A faster-than-standard 1-8.5" twist barrel design allows the 27 Nosler to propel Nosler's factory-loaded 150gr AccuBond and 165gr AccuBond Long Range bullets (new for 2020) at never-before-seen velocities and distances in 270 caliber. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. Certainly no flies on the .270 but that would sway it to the 28 for me. Retains > 1,700 foot/pounds of energy at 500 yards. The .300 Win Mag is the worlds most popular magnum. Unless you work with a custom gun builder and handload, study factory options before choosing. At Nosler velocities, no elk is going to stop a mono metal bullet. So match your 7mm elk dreams to your recoil tolerance and select among this big family. Then, the barrel life will be around 1500 rounds! There is a persistent myth flying about that the 7mm Rem Mag shoots too fast. Many claim its bullets dont have time to open. Second, since .30-caliber bullets must be even heavier to compete in the Ballistic Coefficient (BC) race, a magnum 7mm recoils significantly less than a magnum .30. With its case capacity (98.4 grains water compared to about 80 grains in a .270 Wby. Maybe they are still there . In the other case, it bucked around for about 5 seconds before expiring. Chambered in .28 Nosler, this 8 pound, 8 ounce setup kicks quite hard. One of them was even a clean pass through and she only walked about 20 yards and piled-up. Nov 7, 2022. 2023 Backfire LLC, a limited liability company headquartered in Utah, USA. My impression is that traditionalists will stick with the good old .270 Winchester. Use enough gun, enough caliber, and enough cartridge and bullet to invite them to dinner. He wasnt quite prepared for the recoil when the rifle was mounted on his shoulder over a puffy coat. Nosler has built quite a cartridge family, and it continues to grow. Will you be able to handload once-fired cases? Lots more powder. high B.C. Well whichever you choose it sounds like you will only be one off. The 27 Nosler case has 42% more case capacity than the 270 Winchester, 25% more than the 270 WSM and 12.5% more than the 270 Weatherby. The first has a higher muzzle velocity of 3246 FPS (chronographed on a ProChrony Digital) with a lower G1 ballistic coefficient of 0.496 while the later has a lower muzzle velocity of 3121 . bullets with B.C. Some of us hunt still-hunt elk in black timber and on brushy lower slopes. Recoil isn't bad and it will lay out the ft/lbs of energy as ways. I took some big elk with the Swift A-Frame and bullet performance was exceptional. The 27 Nosler follows on the heels of the success of its siblingsthe 26, 28, 30 and 33 Noslersbeing based on the classic .404 Jeffery case, shortened to fit in a standard long-action and with much of the body taper removed to enhance case capacity. shinbone # 14865591 05/10/20. They share a maximum body diameter of 14.0 mm (0.550 in). So, Nosler, a company rooted in tradition but also with an eye to cutting-edge performance, has now turned its attention to the .277 caliber and brought the loading possibilities into the modern era with the introduction of the 27 Nosler. Start with the .30/30 Winchester and climb until your nose bleeds. []. Mag. This was and is one key to the .300 Win. Ever since Nosler announced that they were coming out with the Nosler 27, I have been thinking I would prefer a Nosler 28. The cartridge is a proven performer. Any real or perceived failure of the 7mm Rem. of their 165-grain bullet yet, but we guesstimated it should be at least .650 G1 and approaching .70. bullet will carry about 250 ft-lb more energy. Most 225-grain factory loads are rated 2,750 to 2,800 fps, enough velocity to put about 3,900 ft-lb of energy into that little bullet. In addition to the caliber, Nosler also introduced new 165gr . The factory ammo and brass is cheaper for the 28 Nosler. But elk stopping performance typically comes with a price: recoil. Re: 27 Nosler vs 28 Nosler. I usually shoot 168 grain Nosler ABLR 160 grain Nosler AB bullets. A traditional stock or adjustable? This is, perhaps, one of the worst ways to measure a cartridges suitability for hunting because it doesnt take into account shot placement or bullet design; however, it at least provides some barometer of the cartridges power. Fireformed case, overflowing to the neck = 98.4 gr/H2O with a 150 AB seated to 3.340 OAL = 89.9 gr/H2O. If you were to buy a scope for all around elk hunting/500 yards and in 2.5x8 would be just . It was and still is Everymans (and womans) 30 magnum. Or even ten. If needed, 27 Nosler brass can be formed from 30 Nosler brass. from a .338 Federal should deliver 1,711 f-p energy at 300 yards and drop just nine inches. The new Sig round is wildly different than any other .270 cartridge because its been chronographed spitting 140-grain .277 bullets 3,000 fps. The elk took 3 steps and collapsed. 27 Nosler ; 270 Weatherby Magnum; 270 Winchester; 270 Winchester Short Magnum; 28 Nosler; 280 Ackley Improved; . Jim. Your rifle is your most important hunting tool, and knowing how to properly clean and store it when hunting season comes to a close is critical in keeping it in tip-top shape. Bulls are bigger than cows; and mature, fully grown bulls are huge. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Question. Elk/Moose Sized Game; X-Vision Optics long-range ImpactThermal Scope (TS300) boasts a 640 x 480 thermal sensor that can detect big game well past 3,000 yards. wheaties300 Well-Known Member. The 27 Nosler has a long leade for sleek, high BC, long ogive, ABLR and RDF style bullets. Mag., .270 WSM, and 27 Nosler step it up a few notches, and the 6.8 Western with its fast twist barrels nudges bullet weights to the upper end of the 7mm line up. The 22, 26, 27, 28, 30, and 32 Noslers. One of the main differences between the 26 Nosler vs 28 Nosler is velocity. So, bullet performance and caliber are the measures of killing power at expected shooting ranges. The axis doe was at the head of herd, and DonDonwho despite his initial impressions made an excellent guidesimply nudged with his bristled chin and said Two-fifty. The SIG Furys is 80,000 psi. After those stalwarts comes a blizzard of .30-calibers that claw their way up the power scale. As an elk cartridge, the .30-06 still shines. Thats ok. Live and learn is a common aphorism for a reason. If recoil doesnt bother you, Id look hard at the .300 WSM, .325 WSM, even the new 6.8 Western, agonize over a 24-inch barrel, and probably compromise with a 23-inch barrel. Im not sure if theyve won the contract or if the testing is still underway, but the civilian bolt-action rifle and ammo should become available in 2020. Elk wont care one way or the other so long as you use a suitable bullet and park it properly. I wouldnt hesitate to take the 27 Nosler on any elk or moose hunt, and Id also feel comfortable using it on the full gamut of African plains game, as well as leopard. Home on the Range: The flat-shooting 27 Nosler is an ideal open-country hunting cartridge. 7mm Remington Magnu n. 28 . With greater frontal area (than a .30) and heavy bullets, the .338 will do this. It will them be 3.0 inches high at 260 yards and 3.0 inches low at about 326 yards. Hunters typically but incorrectly use the best elk calibers to mean cartridge, but Ill use calibers for the sake of this review. Your taste in rifle weight, mass, and recoil will color your choices. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Any rifle/cartridge adequate for elk at long range is also adequate up close, but my concept of a thick-cover elk rifle uses a heavy, large-diameter bullet, without concern for flat trajectory or extreme velocity. Watch videos, see the latest gear and more. Jan 29, 2023 #1 need several 100 pieces of 27 nosler brass brand new in box . Right. Figure another 30 fps velocity increase for every inch of barrel added and a 24-inch launchpad should nudged that 140-grain to 3,240 fps. because maximum average chamber pressure is 64,000 psi. 28 Nosler barrel life is around 700-900 rounds for 175-grain bullets. Heavier bullets. Why so fast? Comparing this with the 160- and 175-grain bullets of the 7mm bore diameter, and it isnt hard to see that advantage of the slightly larger bore diameter. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. The .27 Nosler works with a larger powder reservoir. 26 Nosler vs 28 Nosler Cartridges. The .277 Fury works with much higher chamber pressures to get high velocity. No rough-and-tough manly man in the 1960s was going to admit he couldnt handle that. I have yet to see anyone do a comparison of the two cartridges, no doubt because the 27 Nosler is a very new option at this time. Nosler, the world's finest bullets, ammunition, rifles, & brass. This meant the .338 Win. But, much to my chagrin, my guide was right and I was wrong. The tighter the cover, the shorter the rifle. Mag. Product #: 503034. Elk are a big deal because theyre a big deer, and thus require big elk calibers. loads top out with 200-grain bullets, 210-, 220-, and 230-grain options are available. I do enjoy the videos and your enthusiasm in them. bullets. Time will tell. Thirty-calibers have been sending elk to the table for more than 125 years. But .300 Win. For 2020, Nosler has chosen to take the venerable 270 caliber to a new level with the introduction of the all-new 27 Nosler. Finally, the puny 6.8 SPC from Remington appeared about 2004. For me, its quite tolerable for shooting up to 30 shots in a practice session and certainly a shot or two for hunting. Shot was quartering to and both shots exited behind off shoulder. Two of the newest entrants into this category, the .28 Nosler and the .300 PRC. more than the 270 WSM at the muzzle. This review can help with that. The onshore winds had begun to swirl a bit, and I was thoroughly convinced that the hunt was essentially over for that evening. AccuBond Long Range or a comparable bullet with its high B.C. If the .338s are the best caliber on the upper end for elk, the 7mms are the best at the lower end. Old Elmer Keith back in the dark ages of the mid-20th century claimed the .270 Winchester was an adequate coyote round. That bullet offers the best of all worlds, as it will reliably expand at longer ranges when it has slowed down a bit, yet will hold together at woods distances when velocities remain high . Video of Elk Being Shot with .28 Noslerif(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'backfire_tv-box-4','ezslot_13',175,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-backfire_tv-box-4-0'); Nosler even advertises the .28 Nosler primarily as an elk cartridge. For deer and pronghorn, to much gun. The .30-06 is the most powerful cartridge ever adopted by a major military. Thats the key to each of these new .270 cartridges. .270 Winchester. Trm82 said: I have one getting chambered right now in 27 nosler . 1 Write a Review Q&A (2) Our Price: $110.99. Hell, Ive had at least one for 40 years. .662) already on dealer shelves. The .27 Nosler works with a larger powder reservoir. (Although a fan of Nosler bullets, I do NOT like the ballistic tips for big game), Trophy Bonded, Hornaday's, Barnes X's, Silvertips and Rem Core-lokts. It hits harder than the .30/06 and even the old .300 H&H Magnum without as much recoil as the .338. A few more calibers throwing those famous .308 bullets include the .300 Ruger Compact Magnum, .300 SAUM, .300 WSM, .30/308 Norma Mag., .300 H&H, 30 Nosler, .300 Wby. Figure an 8-pound rifle spitting a 150-grain bullet slapping your shoulder with about 30- to 34 foot-pounds of energy at 16 fps. Just make sure you have the best rifle for the terrain you intend to hunt. The rimless case uses a 35-degree shoulder for headspacing, and maintains a 2.590-inch case length and 3.340-inch cartridge overall length. Always, the idea is to hit a bull as well as you can, but you want to hit him hard. If I can shoot the .28 Nosler without any issues, the vast majority of adult male shooters wont have any issues either. At 800 yards the 28 Nosler carries just over 2000 ft lbs of energy. I have just always gravitated to the 7mm's over the 270 cartridges.